Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby NZ Spurs on Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:43 am

For the next three years anyway:<br>
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Re: Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby TexasBlue13 on Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:46 am

Nellie is a good coach. He gets crap for Bradley (as does Cubes) but Bradley sucking is not his fault, they know it's a problem and it's the focus of this offseason. Any coach who gets their team to 60 wins is doing something right. <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://home.villagephotos.com/2003-6/10141/mavs.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby Super B2000 on Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:10 am

Yeah, I don't understand you statement. Nelson has been one of the best coaches in the NBA for years. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.sahoops.net/SuperB2000.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><br /><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><br /><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SwDfAqwVoSVoAA32Jm63CuxkhPlLG1RqItvUz6P0G2ZGqaXsdIsZvNTNsBVZMxIZNDjzIfjswtSZoXeps8JXpUlpuKtG4PcrvHag9GcALTXKmz0fMIgxVA/super-B20001.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby SAmikeyp on Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:46 am

yeah Nellie screwed the pooch with Deathstick but he more than made up for it with the Dirk deal. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Get used to it World, because it's only the beginning. </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>
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Re: Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby VoraciousWolf on Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:28 pm

I agree with you NZ. Nellie's gimmicky schemes are not championship caliber. <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/images/cover/2003/t1_cover0609.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>
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Re: Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby sisyphos2 on Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:55 pm

I think Finley and the coaching staff (can't leave out AJ) are the two things that are positive in Dallas.<br>
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Najera is a good role player and provides good D. Nash could be a foundation also, if he developed his own defensive skills.<br>
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The Mavs shouldn't go after Kidd in a sign and trade, it should be Jermaine O'Neal as a replacement for Nowitzki.<br>
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Everyone will probably disagree but I think a starting 5 of <br>
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Nash<br>
Finley<br>
Najera<br>
O'Neal<br>
LaFrentz<br>
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has a good balance between defense and offense. I think O'Neal's shot blocking ability and post defense will help the Mav centers (Raef and Bradley). Sure Nowititzki is a mutli-faceted talent. But a post player needs to play in the post. <br>
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Tim Duncan wastes his talent if he's lofting up threes in a game, seven footers need to make their money in the paint. An outside J is good, but only because it opens up the middle. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby SleepyAdamII on Wed Jun 25, 2003 1:45 am

Nellie gets alot of flash and pizzazz, but he lacks the pop discipline, or the dscipline that he instills in others to succeed....<br>
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Nellie is a fan coach, Fans could ask why doesn't Raef,Dirk, and Bradly play at the same time, they are tall enough, and so he uses these concepts until guys like Malik pack the crap out of Bradly...<br>
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Another Reason I don't put much stock in the guy is he and the Dallas org. is alot of flash and pizzazz, maybe cause I'm a spurs fan who sees from a hard arduous work approach to the game, it seems like somehow dallas is too pretentious or synthetic. Nash and Nowetski are unbelievable players, and Finley is very underated. But the Cuban Ideal here is "Me me me, look at me, I'm Dallas, Pay attention to me, I'm great, I'm fun, I'm always the under dog, I'm what every fan wants" so to me the whole Mav team is really a Gimmick.....sorry mavs fans, no disrespect but thats how I feel <p></p><i></i>
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nellie...

Postby jomama007 on Wed Jun 25, 2003 4:16 am

I think Nellie is a great coach...<br>
He's one of the most creative and intelligent coaches out there<br>
he's like a mad basketball scientist<br>
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he does the best he can with the given roster<br>
Lafrentz doesn't play up to his potential<br>
and Bradley...well...he's Bradley<br>
without strong front court<br>
his abilities will only take them so far<br>
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I think they need to keep Nowitzki<br>
O'neal is tougher in the post and plays D, but they can't sacrifice Nowitzki, he's just too damn good offensively and it'll hurt dallas too much on scoring<br>
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they should keep the Big 4 at all cost and try to keep<br>
najera and raja as well...<br>
they need to get rid of bradley and lafrentz and maybe couple other guys there and get a decent big guy<br>
they'll be really really good...<br>
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Re: nellie...

Postby sisyphos2 on Wed Jun 25, 2003 12:06 pm

I think LaFrentz is a capable center, but he can't defend the paint alone. I think his game would improve if the Mavs had a better defensive power forward. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby Grapevine on Wed Jun 25, 2003 5:47 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Nellie gets alot of flash and pizzazz, but he lacks the pop discipline, or the dscipline that he instills in others to succeed....<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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I think Nellie has tried everything he can with guys like LaFrentz and Bradley to motivate them. With Bradley, he quipped 'I've run out of matches' when the subject of motivating Bradley came up and he called out LaFrentz in the media after a late December home loss to Milwaukee.<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>to me the whole Mav team is really a Gimmick.....sorry mavs fans, no disrespect but thats how I feel <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Hard to argue with that sentiment. And in many people's eyes, they'll remain a 'gimmick' team until either they establish an inside defensive presence, or they win a title.<br>
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Re: nellie...

Postby NOTTY on Wed Jun 25, 2003 5:49 pm

rumors today in two Chicago papers. Bulls offered to trade Fizer, Marshall and 7th pick, for Finley. It's conditional on the player Dallas wants in the draft, being available. <br>
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Lets hope it does not happen... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: nellie...

Postby VoraciousWolf on Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:41 pm

Why don't we want that to happen?<br>
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With the 7th pick they are probably going to get a project big man that will take a few years to contribute.<br>
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I liked Fizer at Iowa State, but he's a role-player on your average NBA team and bench fodder for the Mavs.<br>
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Marshall is OK when he's not injured, but he's just another scoring option and not the gritty defender that they need.<br>
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They lose Finley for that? Not necessarily a lop-sided trade, but certainly nothing to worry a Jazz or Spurs fan. <p><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/images/cover/2003/t1_cover0609.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>
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Re: Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby Super B2000 on Thu Jun 26, 2003 2:41 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I think Finley and the coaching staff (can't leave out AJ) are the two things that are positive in Dallas.<br>
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Najera is a good role player and provides good D. Nash could be a foundation also, if he developed his own defensive skills.<br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Mavs shouldn't go after Kidd in a sign and trade, it should be Jermaine O'Neal as a replacement for Nowitzki.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
Everyone will probably disagree but I think a starting 5 of <br>
<br>
Nash<br>
Finley<br>
Najera<br>
O'Neal<br>
LaFrentz<br>
<br>
has a good balance between defense and offense. I think O'Neal's shot blocking ability and post defense will help the Mav centers (Raef and Bradley). Sure <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Nowititzki</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> is a mutli-faceted talent. But a post player needs to play in the post. <br>
<br>
Tim Duncan wastes his talent if he's lofting up threes in a game, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>seven footers</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> need to make their money in the paint. An outside J is good, but only because it opens up the middle.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub179.ezboard.com/bsanantoniospurs62937.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sisyphos2" target="top">sisyphos2</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, I think you just exposed your self as someone who needs to get a clue. You would replace Nowitzki (note the correct speeling) with Jermaine O'Neal? You can find other Jermaine O'Neals, but there aren't many players quite like Nowitzki. If the Mavs did manage to acquire J.O. (which ain't gonna happen), Dirk would/could play small forward. Tim Duncan waste his TIME if he thows up 3's, he not considered a good 3 point shooter. Seven footers need to make their $ in the paint, huh? I wonder how many people said Magic Johnson was too tall to play point guard? At 6'9", he would have been a better fit as a power foward a lot of people would have said. Heck he played Center in the Finals for the Lakers in his rookie year when Kareem couldn't play. You know what? He just might have been an all-star as a power forward. Heck, we'll never know, but he may have even been a Hall of Famer as a power forward. He was a damn good player regardless of position. But he was a 6'9" point guard. He revolutionized the game. He is widely considered the best PG ever to play the game. He was new and different and untraditional, and so is Dirk. You really do need to get a clue. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.sahoops.net/SuperB2000.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><br /><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><br /><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SwDfAqwVoSVoAA32Jm63CuxkhPlLG1RqItvUz6P0G2ZGqaXsdIsZvNTNsBVZMxIZNDjzIfjswtSZoXeps8JXpUlpuKtG4PcrvHag9GcALTXKmz0fMIgxVA/super-B20001.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub179.ezboard.com/bsanantoniospurs62937.showUserPublicProfile?gid=superb2000>Super B2000</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.torchrecords.com/Graphics/texas%20flag.JPG" BORDER=0> at: 6/26/03 1:45 am<br></i>
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Re: Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby Maorza on Thu Jun 26, 2003 3:12 am

There is no call for you to call out Sisyphos. You've just exposed yourself as someone who needs to mind his manners.<br>
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And Dirk is no Magic.<br>
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I think it is fruitless to try and compare the two. Magic is in another league of ballplayers.<br>
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Dirk is a traditional jump shooter with little post presence. Finley is a straight out monster baller. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Looks like we won't have to worry about Dallas...

Postby sisyphos2 on Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:04 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>sisyphos2, I think you just exposed your self as someone who needs to get a clue.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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I hate to say this, but I miss Kriby, I guess you'll have to do.<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You would replace Nowitzki (note the correct speeling) with Jermaine O'Neal? <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Uh, yeah, that was the point of my post. Congrats on successfully reading it. Thanks for the speeling leason also, I am ashamed I only speeled Nowitzki correctly one out of two times. <br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>speeling<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
too funny. <br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You can find other Jermaine O'Neals, but there aren't many players quite like Nowitzki.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
The Waltons, The O'Neals, the Nowitzkis...<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If the Mavs did manage to acquire J.O. (which ain't gonna happen), Dirk would/could play small forward.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
Seven foot <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>small</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> forward = Keith Van Horne<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Tim Duncan waste his TIME if he thows up 3's, he not considered a good 3 point shooter. Seven footers need to make their $ in the paint, huh?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
Tim is a two time MVP, and could add the three pointer to his game if he wanted. But Tim is smart enough to know where he is needed. How many offensive rebounds do you get sitting outside the arc?<br>
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Dirk's two point FG% was 49.3%. His three point shooting reduced his total FG % by 3%.<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> I wonder how many people said Magic Johnson was too tall to play point guard? At 6'9", he would have been a better fit as a power foward a lot of people would have said. Heck he played Center in the Finals for the Lakers in his rookie year when Kareem couldn't play. You know what? He just might have been an all-star as a power forward. Heck, we'll never know, but he may have even been a Hall of Famer as a power forward. He was a damn good player regardless of position. But he was a 6'9" point guard.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Johnson is 6'9", that's three inches short of seven feet. Are you saying Johnson would have still played point if he were three inches taller?<br>
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Plus, Nowitzki attempted <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>390</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> three pointers this year, as a forward. The most Magic ever attempted in a season was 276.<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>He revolutionized the game. He is widely considered the best PG ever to play the game. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> I'll go with Stockton<br>
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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>He was new and different and untraditional, and so is Dirk. You really do need to get a clue. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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I may need to get a clue, but I don't think I'll be able to find it anywhere near you. Thanks for the constructive critic though. Say hi to your pals on DB.com. <p></p><i></i>
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