This is going to be a long offseason

1kangaroo · by **1kangaroo** on Fri May 01, 2009 9:43 am

Toby wrote:Blazers will trade you Travis Outlaw for somebody, anybody really. Give us Udoka back, wha'chall think?

I looked at the salaries we can give you Bowen; Oberto or Bonner and i will through in a bag of chips; a 2nd round pick and a 12 pack of Bass Ale :beer:

Jose_TheGenius · by **Jose_TheGenius** on Fri May 01, 2009 11:33 am

i hope the Spurs make a run at Artest. he would take care of the defender spot and at the "we need a player who can create his own shot" department. the thing i like also about Artest is if we were to go small (like against Dallas), he can guard Dirk and no way does Dirk try to post him up. if Sheed really wants to come here, he would sign for the minimum. imagine TP/Manu/Artest/TD ? killer lineup

manufan10 · by **manufan10** on Fri May 01, 2009 11:37 am

I like the sound of that:

PG: Parker
SG: Manu
SF: Artest
PF: Duncan
C: Mahinmi

Now that's a lineup that I would want to see. Hopefully Mahinmi will give the Spurs something. For a guy that hasn't played much, the coaching staff seems to love the guy. I hope he pans out.

manufan10 · by **manufan10** on Fri May 01, 2009 11:50 am

Just throwing this out there, it doesn't mean I support it. I just thought we could get a discussion on it. The Spurs where notably going after Vince Carter near the trade deadline. What are your thoughts on them going after T-Mac? I'll play devil's advocate here. He is 2 years younger than VC. Their numbers are almost identical, and their play styles are almost identical. Everyone is harping on getting younger. While this move will not make us many years younger, it will give us an added superstar into the mix. One who can score and create his own shot. I know he hasn't made it out of the first round of the playoffs, however, here he wouldn't have to be the number one guy. He won't have to carry the team. He just has to be PART of the team. I don't know if the numbers would work, and again I'm not saying I'm for it, just thought it would be interesting to discuss.

libri · by **libri** on Fri May 01, 2009 2:53 pm

TMac is going to make a ridiculous amount of money in 2009-10, over $23 million. Plus, he's made of glass.

1kangaroo · by **1kangaroo** on Fri May 01, 2009 2:56 pm

manufan10 wrote:Just throwing this out there, it doesn't mean I support it. I just thought we could get a discussion on it. The Spurs where notably going after Vince Carter near the trade deadline. What are your thoughts on them going after T-Mac? I'll play devil's advocate here. He is 2 years younger than VC. Their numbers are almost identical, and their play styles are almost identical. Everyone is harping on getting younger. While this move will not make us many years younger, it will give us an added superstar into the mix. One who can score and create his own shot. I know he hasn't made it out of the first round of the playoffs, however, here he wouldn't have to be the number one guy. He won't have to carry the team. He just has to be PART of the team. I don't know if the numbers would work, and again I'm not saying I'm for it, just thought it would be interesting to discuss.

Just an fyi from a person that lives in Houston

TMAC always breaks down he does not work hard enough in the offseason not saying he is fat but he is not in great shape either

He will not even suit up until at least January (micro fracture surgery) and may be out longer

ryno · by **ryno** on Sat May 02, 2009 3:00 am

1kangaroo wrote:
Toby wrote:Blazers will trade you Travis Outlaw for somebody, anybody really. Give us Udoka back, wha'chall think?

I looked at the salaries we can give you Bowen; Oberto or Bonner and i will through in a bag of chips; a 2nd round pick and a 12 pack of Bass Ale

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the conversation between Mack 10 and Kevin Prichard about wheather they should trade Travis Outlaw or not. When he and Udoka were both free agents I don't remember who I wanted Portland to not sign more either Ime or Travis. But I think it is clear now I should have been hoping for Outlaw. A lot of Blazer fans around here are pointing fingers at Outlaw, and he may need a change of scenery. Although he may have just got a bad match-up, or be a playoff bust as well, only time will tell.

The guy is a bit of a chucker but has also shown the ability to win games in the fourth quarter from time to time as well. Portland won a lot of games this year when they came back from 15 down, Outlaw was a big part of that. He didn't play well in the Rockets series but I think the problem lies more with the lack of experience for the Blazers than anything Outlaw did. Outlaw missed a big 3 ball in the fourth quarter of game 5, Many Blazer fans wanted Roy or Rudy taking that shot, and rightfully so, but that isn't Travis' fault, it's Nate's. I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Travis Outlaw, but I do think it is a risk. Just remember 1Kangaroo has to provide the chips of Paul Allen's choice if it happens.

Blondie · by **Blondie** on Sat May 02, 2009 11:12 pm

I had dinner last night with someone who saw Manu's xrays - they said his injury is career ending and that Spurs were frantically shopping him before the allstar break :(

libri · by **libri** on Sat May 02, 2009 11:29 pm

What?!

Dripping Spurs Fan · by **Dripping Spurs Fan** on Sun May 03, 2009 12:14 am

Reliable source? Knowledgeable both about x-rays and the Spur's management?

manufan10 · by **manufan10** on Sun May 03, 2009 9:02 am

Blondie wrote:I had dinner last night with someone who saw Manu's xrays - they said his injury is career ending and that Spurs were frantically shopping him before the allstar break :(

Something smells fishy about that scenario.

1.) Why didn't we hear about it? If that is true, it would have been all over ESPN, and every other news media outlet. (Him being shopped around.) Nothing in the League will go anonymous these days. We hear about everything.

2.) How did they know the injury was going to be serious before the all-star break? For all we knew, he was being a stud again. He showed no signs of breaking down. He even came back and played decent after the trade deadline.

3.) If it is career ending, why is the organization taking so long to announce it? Are they trying to get the season ticket holders to buy tickets for next year before dropping a huge bomb on them? That just doesn't sound like the Spurs organization to me. If it truly was career ending, I believe the organization would notify us, as fans, that the injury is serious and could be career ending. No one has reported anything of the like.

4.) If they knew the injury was serious before the all-star break, why would they try to trade him? Are they going to ruin their reputation of being a good team by trading away damaged "goods?" Even if the trade initially went through, the team would give Manu a physical, he would fail and the trade would be rescinded. (i.e. Tyson Chandler) That would really make the team look bad.

1kangaroo · by **1kangaroo** on Sun May 03, 2009 1:58 pm

ryno wrote:
1kangaroo wrote:
Toby wrote:Blazers will trade you Travis Outlaw for somebody, anybody really. Give us Udoka back, wha'chall think?

I looked at the salaries we can give you Bowen; Oberto or Bonner and i will through in a bag of chips; a 2nd round pick and a 12 pack of Bass Ale

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the conversation between Mack 10 and Kevin Prichard about wheather they should trade Travis Outlaw or not. When he and Udoka were both free agents I don't remember who I wanted Portland to not sign more either Ime or Travis. But I think it is clear now I should have been hoping for Outlaw. A lot of Blazer fans around here are pointing fingers at Outlaw, and he may need a change of scenery. Although he may have just got a bad match-up, or be a playoff bust as well, only time will tell.

The guy is a bit of a chucker but has also shown the ability to win games in the fourth quarter from time to time as well. Portland won a lot of games this year when they came back from 15 down, Outlaw was a big part of that. He didn't play well in the Rockets series but I think the problem lies more with the lack of experience for the Blazers than anything Outlaw did. Outlaw missed a big 3 ball in the fourth quarter of game 5, Many Blazer fans wanted Roy or Rudy taking that shot, and rightfully so, but that isn't Travis' fault, it's Nate's. I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Travis Outlaw, but I do think it is a risk. Just remember 1Kangaroo has to provide the chips of Paul Allen's choice if it happens.

I understand but I look at outlaw as kind of a Bowen role with more overall offense; plus Chip maybe able to help his shot and with all players are a risk when you draft or sign from another team but he is young has some upside still and I think would be a good fit in SA.

eniram1 · by **eniram1** on Sun May 03, 2009 3:13 pm

Blondie wrote:I had dinner last night with someone who saw Manu's xrays - they said his injury is career ending and that Spurs were frantically shopping him before the allstar break :(

Makes a ton of sense to me. And why not. The Spurs are a busniess and it makes busniess sense to get what you can for a player who is broken down. Loyalty you say? Where was Manu's loyalty when the organization asked him not to play in the olympics and rest his ankle? And then reinjuries that same ankle? I say go for it. Besides, it's nothing personal, just busniess.

manufan10 · by **manufan10** on Sun May 03, 2009 3:57 pm

eniram1 wrote:
Blondie wrote:I had dinner last night with someone who saw Manu's xrays - they said his injury is career ending and that Spurs were frantically shopping him before the allstar break :(

Makes a ton of sense to me. And why not. The Spurs are a busniess and it makes busniess sense to get what you can for a player who is broken down. Loyalty you say? Where was Manu's loyalty when the organization asked him not to play in the olympics and rest his ankle? And then reinjuries that same ankle? I say go for it. Besides, it's nothing personal, just busniess.

I disagree. It makes absolutely no business sense. I'm not saying this as a Manu fan, but as a Spur fan. Who is it that everyone says they couldn't beat the Lakers last year? Unhealthy Manu. Why did they falter against the Mavs? One big reason.. MANU unhealthy. Yes he played for his National team against the advice of the organization, but you know what, that's HIS choice. He feels an obligation and a desire to play for his home country. Who are we to question that? I for one am proud that he had the courage to play and try and defend his gold medal. Feeling a sense of pride for your country is one of the accomplishments of the Olympics. I support his move, no matter if it's against the grain and other people hate that choice. Again, I don't see how people can say it is a good "business" move to get rid of the heart and soul of this team. Yes he's had some injuries, but that doesn't mean you get rid of the guy. It has nothing about being loyal; it's about winning. I'd rather have the ball in Manu's hands in the last minutes of the game than almost anyone else in the league. I'd rather have Manu with the ball with the game on the line than Tony Parker. Manu has proven to be the man. How often we forget the things that he is capable of because we haven't seen him lately. Manu is as much a Spur as a Tim Duncan, or a Gregg Popovich. Tim has been hurting. I think it would be good business sense to get trade him and try and get something better. (I'm being sarcastic.) Again, you don't try and trade a guy who is your heart, your fire, and one of your best players. It makes no business sense whatsoever. He's still relatively young. He's not a spring chicken, but we've seen this last year that he is still capable of playing at a high level. Look at the string of games he had before the all-star game, and that's while he was nursing that ankle, before it got serious.

libri · by **libri** on Sun May 03, 2009 5:34 pm

I think it would be good business practice for the Spurs to wait until after the 2009-10 season plays out before committing to extend Manu's contract. This way the Spurs can have all season to evaluate Manu's health and then make a decision about his future.

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