This is going to be a long offseason

1kangaroo · by **1kangaroo** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:09 pm

This was as bad as it gets the team needs an overhaul and needs a youth infusion like yesterday

We are not going to be able to go wild this FA but we do have 7 contacts with 1 year left and with people wanting to go crazy for 2010 we may be able to get good players via trade for those expiring contracts

Forget it we have no shot at that big super 2010 FA which is going to be pretty lame with most guys staying where they are at for more money. Money talks period end of story

The list of 7 contacts that expire next year

Manu
Booner
Bowen (Bowen may be bought out this summer for 2 million instead of keeping the 4 million on the books)
Mason
Finely
Oberto
Thomas

manufan10 · by **manufan10** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:13 pm

I think there's interesting options that will be there this off season, and with many teams trying to "save" money for the BIG FA's in 2010, I feel that the Spurs will be able to get a few contributors for next season. Also bringing in guys like Ian Mahinmi and Malik Hairston will help to. Hairston has shown some promise and if he can get some time in with Chip, I see some good things happening from him. Hopefully the guys will get healthy and some rest, and stay healthy next year. Injuries really killed the Spurs this season.

SpursFanInAK · by **SpursFanInAK** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:18 pm

I never really counted on having a big shot at the '10 free agent class. But we have alot of work to do....hoepfully the front office sees as much as us fans how unathletic and old we are.

manufan10 · by **manufan10** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:24 pm

I don't think we need to go extremely young, just young enough. With the Big 3 aging, opportunities for another ring are slowly fading. I think the Spurs need to find guys who have been there and can contribute. However, they need to be guys who can contribute into the future also, not just for one year. If the Spurs keep getting vets on their last leg, then when the Duncan era is over, the Spurs will have no one left. I feel if the Spurs get a mixture of quality semi old semi young vets and bring in guys like Ian and Hairston then they will be better off, and will have a better chance of winning another ring.

SVballer · by **SVballer** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:29 pm

Everyone needs to go except Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Gooden, Mason Jr., Bonner and Hill. Mahimni and Hairston need to develop and be important contributors next year.

I love these players and what they have done but these need to go:

Udoka
Thomas
Oberto
Vaughn
Finley

Bowen needs to stay and have an influence on our younger players and help them develop, pretty much a mentor, maybe the same could be for Finley but minutes need to be reduced to 5-10-15 a game for next season. The Spurs Front Office can't look at guys like Rasheed Wallace or Allen Iverson although I think Iverson could land in San Antonio next year and start for us. We could even land Rasheed but not if Gooden stays. But that is it with the vets. Spurs need a wing player someone like Gerald Wallace, Josh Howard or Caron Butler. That can put up points and play defense.

1kangaroo · by **1kangaroo** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:31 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... ents-09-10

See here is a site about 2009-2010

My thoughts on this Big FA

Those who have been observing the Cleveland Cavaliers, Miami Heat, New Jersey Nets and New York Knicks, among others, maneuver to create salary-cap space already have heard about "the Summer of LeBron." That's 2010, the year that LeBron James can opt out of his contract with the Cavs.

But the offseason of 2010 is not just the Summer of LeBron:
Dwyane Wade: Would love to get him no freakin chance,
Chris Bosh: yea right
Amare Stoudemire: They could not get anyone to trade form him over rated does not play defense
Paul Pierce: Is staying a Celtic
Ray Allen: Will be 35 no thanks
Tyson Chandler: Not worth Big money over rated
Manu Ginobili: Will Hopefully be a Spur but he has not been healthy for 2 years now
Richard Jefferson: A good player but not a max player in any way
Joe Johnson: Another monster contact no thanks
Tracy McGrady: Yea coming of Knee surgery will not even play a whole year; can't stay healthy not worth a big contract
Yao Ming: Staying in Houston
Steve Nash: Dude is old plays no defense will be in NY
Dirk Nowitzki: Caveman will be a Mav
Michael Redd: Will be 31 a short contract of about 3-4 years but is he a Max player ?

And in 2009, the list is illustrious, too:
Kobe Bryant: Will stay a Laker
Carlos Boozer: Good no chance in 09
Allen Iverson: Guy is Bad last 2 teams got better ditching him and a 3rd will get better when he is gone
Ron Artest: Has been stable as a Rocket will it last ?
Jason Kidd: An old PG for big bucks no thanks
Shawn Marion: Dude is not worth the contract he thinks he deserves and whines when he is not one of the big names
Andre Miller: Good solid PG
Lamar Odom: I think I will pass been solid for the Lakers
Rasheed Wallace: Another guy that is older and not worth a large contract a solid short 1-2 year contract on a veteran team maybe he still goes loco sometimes

Outside Wade; Lebron; Bryant or Bosh none of those guys are max players and quite a few have had there stocks drop way down and most are now overrated names see Marion and Stouwhiner

manufan10 · by **manufan10** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:33 pm

I read somewhere that Oberto is considering retiring. I don't know if there's any truth to that or not, but that is a rumor I read.

libri · by **libri** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:34 pm

manufan10 wrote:I read somewhere that Oberto is considering retiring. I don't know if there's any truth to that or not, but that is a rumor I read.

I wouldn't be surprised. His heart condition is very serious.

manufan10 · by **manufan10** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:36 pm

libri wrote:
manufan10 wrote:I read somewhere that Oberto is considering retiring. I don't know if there's any truth to that or not, but that is a rumor I read.

I wouldn't be surprised. His heart condition is very serious.

I love the guy and all, but if it's serious I think he should hang them up. I'm one of his biggest fans, but his overall health is more important to me.

manufan10 · by **manufan10** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:36 pm

manufan10 wrote:There's several FA options, but it would be highly unlikely for them to get them unless they take a major pay cut, but there the likes of Rashad McCants from Minnesota. His career numbers are: 43% FG, 37% 3FG, 74% FT. He's 24, and has been in the league for 3 years. He is a restricted FA so that also can hurt the Spurs chances.

The Lakers, I believe, will have to choose between LO, and Ariza. LO is 29, but has shown he can be a good player. He does have the tendency to disappear in the playoffs, but I think it could work. However, I doubt that he would take less money, and it is wishful thinking. Ariza is someone who could fill a Bruce Bowen type role. He's a good defender, has picked up his 3 pt average from a 30% to 32%, and so far in the playoffs is 9-16 at 64%. He's also young at 23. He may have bought himself a bigger contract than the Spurs can afford. However, if he's willing to take a minimal pay raise, and play with a championship caliber team, I say why not? That all depends on IF the Lakers sign LO, and are not willing to pay the luxury tax they would have to pay in order to have both LO and Ariza.

Then, there is the Artest guy. He is also 29, so the Spurs wouldn't be getting younger. I don't know if he's signed a new contract with Houston or not, but he would be someone who could ease the scoring off of Tim, Tony, and Manu. He's a pretty good defender, and with the likes of TD in the lineup it would be interesting to see. However, Artest seems to be opposite of what the Spurs organization has tried to build here. A TEAM comes first attitude. A good player, who is also a good person. Someone who is level headed. I think if surrounded with a great group of people, it could work. So far there haven't been any problems in Houston.

Another Restricted FA is Francisco Garcia of the Kings. I remember back in 2006 when the Spurs faced off against the Kings, Garcia killed the Spurs coming off the bench. He hit some big threes in that series. He's 27, and his averages have been going up each year. Again, the Spurs have limited cash options.

Overall, the Spurs are in pretty decent shape with big men. They have the future hall of famer in Tim Duncan, Kurt Thomas, Matt Bonner, Ian Mahinmi, Fabricio Oberto, and possibly Drew Gooden. The backcourt is where the Spurs need to get a little younger/more athletic. The Spurs will also need someone who is known to be a scorer, who can come in and make some shots, defend, grab rebounds. They need someone who will be an energy guy for them. I don't know if that will come through free agency. The pickings are kind of slim, but with teams trying to prepare for the '10 pickings, something might come up and land in the Spurs lap. The best options available are some of the one's I've mentioned. They help the Spurs to get younger, but still have experience and have shown to be able to do the things I've mentioned above. The fact is, that the Spurs might find someone who know one really knew about or flew under everyone's radar, like Roger Mason Jr. However, the Spurs do need to find another scoring option. Someone to step up in case of injuries.

Stofe · by **Stofe** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:58 pm

I highly doubt LeBron or DWade will come to San Antonio, but that doesn't mean we can't pick up a key piece or two in 2010 if not beforehand. The Spurs have built great teams by putting in pieces that fit, so I don't expect that to change. Tim, Tony, and Manu are our weapons and the leaders of our team. The answer is...well, not The Answer. We don't need to line the roster with aging players. That well ran dry last year and we have to adapt to the changes of the league. It's a young man's game. We have to put players that are physically and mentally capable of delivering in April and beyond. If it means having to part with some longtime favorites, then so be it. I would rather have young, inexperienced players who play their hearts out than experienced veterans who are two steps too slow and/or mentally disappear come playoff time.

1kangaroo · by **1kangaroo** on Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:08 am

Stofe wrote:I highly doubt LeBron or DWade will come to San Antonio, but that doesn't mean we can't pick up a key piece or two in 2010 if not beforehand. The Spurs have built great teams by putting in pieces that fit, so I don't expect that to change. Tim, Tony, and Manu are our weapons and the leaders of our team. The answer is...well, not The Answer. We don't need to line the roster with aging players. That well ran dry last year and we have to adapt to the changes of the league. It's a young man's game. We have to put players that are physically and mentally capable of delivering in April and beyond. If it means having to part with some longtime favorites, then so be it. I would rather have young, inexperienced players who play their hearts out than experienced veterans who are two steps too slow and/or mentally disappear come playoff time.

That was my point we can use those 1 year contracts to get good players in 2009 because of teams trying to buy a FA in 2010

jermaineoneal · by **jermaineoneal** on Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:53 am

Ron Artest top 5 defender in this league, seen what he can do when he was a Pacer.
Michael Redd I really love this guy, watching him play, maybe a little injury prone?
Richard Jefferson (has played in 2 Finals) can play D when he wants too, can run with TP.

Dripping Spurs Fan · by **Dripping Spurs Fan** on Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:25 am

Available this summer:

Atlanta Hawks
Restricted--Josh Childress, Solomon Jones, Marvin Williams, Thomas Gardner, Othello Hunter, Mario West
Unrestricted--Zaza Pachulia, Mike Bibby, Ronald Murray

Boston Celtics
Restricted--Glen Davis, Leon Powe
Unrestricted--Eddie House (P), Darius Miles

Charlotte Bobcats
Restricted--Shannon Brown, Raymond Felton, Ryan Hollins, Sean May
Unrestricted--None

Chicago Bulls
Restricted--Aaron Gray
Unrestricted--Ben Gorden, Michael Ruffin, Cedric Simmons, Lindsey Hunter

Cleveland Cavaliers
Restricted
Unrestricted--Zydrunas Ilgauskas (ETO), Eric Snow, Wally Szczerbiak, Anderson Varejao (P), Lorenzen Wright

Dallas Mavericks
Restricted--None
Unrestricted--Brandon Bass, Devean George (P), Gerald Green, Jason Kidd, James Singleton

Denver Nuggets
Restricted--Linas Kleiza, Cheikh Samb
Unrestricted--Chris Anderson, Anthony Carter, Steven Hunter (ETO), Dahntay Jones

Detroit Pistons
Restricted--Will Bynum (T), Alex Acker (T), Walter Herrmann
Unrestricted--Kwame Brown (P), Allen Iverson, Rasheed Wallace

Golden State Warriors
Restricted --C.J. Watson, Rob Kurz
Unrestricted -- Jamal Crawford (ETO), Marcus Williams

Houston Rockets
Restricted--Luther Head
Unrestricted--Ron Artest, Steve Francis, Von Wafer

Indiana Pacers
Restricted--Jarrett Jack, Josh McRoberts
Unrestricted--Maceo Baston, Marquis Daniels (T), Travis Diener (P), Stephen Graham, Rasho Nesterovic

Los Angeles Clippers
Restricted--Paul Davis, Steve Novak
Unrestricted--Ricky Davis (P), Jason Hart, Brian Skinner (P)

Los Angeles Lakers
Restricted--None
Unrestricted--Trevor Ariza, Kobe Bryant (ETO), Chris Mihm, Lamar Odom

Memphis Grizzlies
Restricted--Juan Carlos Navarro, Hakim Warrick
Unrestricted-Antoine Walker (ETO), Quinton Ross

Miami Heat
Restricted--Joel Anthony, Chris Quinn (P), Yakhouba Diawara (P)
Unrestricted Mark Blount (ETO), Jamaal Magloire, Shawn Marion

Milwaukee Bucks
Restricted --Ramon Sessions, Charlie Villanueva, Ersan Ilyasova
Unrestricted--Malik Allen (P), Tyronn Lue, Francisco Elson (P), Damon Jones, Austin Croshere

Minnesota Timberwolves
Restricted -- Rashad McCants
Unrestricted -- Calvin Booth, Jason Collins, Rodney Carney, Kevin Ollie

New Jersey Nets
Restricted-- Nenad Krstic
Unrestricted--Trenton Hassell (ETO), Jarvis Hayes (T), Stromile Swift, Maurice Ager

New Orleans Hornets
Restricted -- None
Unrestricted -- Ryan Bowen, Devin Brown (P), Melvin Ely, Mike James (P), Sean Marks

New York Knicks
Restricted -- David Lee, Nate Robinson
Unrestricted -- Eddy Curry (ETO), Jerome James (P), Stephon Marbury, Quentin Richardson (ETO), Malik Rose, Al Harrington (P)

Oklahoma Thunder
Restricted -- Johan Petro
Unrestricted -- Chris Wilcox, Damien Wilkins (ETO), Desmond Mason, Joe Smith, Robert Swift, Mouhamed Sene

Orlando Magic
Restricted -- Marcin Gortat, Jeremy Richardson
Unrestricted -- Keith Bogans, Brian Cook (P), Adonal Foyle, Anthony Johnson (P), Hedo Turkoglu (ETO), Mike Wilks

Philadelphia 76ers
Restricted -- None
Unrestricted -- Royal Ivey (P), Donyell Marshall, Andre Miller, Theo Ratliff, Kareem Rush

Phoenix Suns
Restricted -- Louis Amundson (T), Sean Singletary (T)
Unrestricted -- Matt Barnes, Grant Hill

Portland Trail Blazers
Restricted -- Ike Diogu, Channing Frye
Unrestricted -- Raef LaFrentz, Shavlik Randolph

Sacramento Kings
Restricted -- Bobby Brown (P)
Unrestricted -- Bobby Jackson, Shelden Williams

San Antonio Spurs
Restricted -- None
Unrestricted -- Michael Finley (P), Ime Udoka, Jacque Vaughn, Drew Gooden

2009 Free Agents for the Toronto Raptors
Restricted -- Hassan Adams (T), Carlos Delfino, Joey Graham, Jamario Moon, Will Solomon
Unrestricted -- Jermaine O'Neal (P), Anthony Parker

Utah Jazz
Restricted -- Paul Millsap, Kyrylo Fesenko (T)
Unrestricted -- Carlos Boozer (P), Jarron Collins, Brevin Knight, Kyle Korver (ETO), Mehmet Okur (ETO), Ronnie Price, Morris Almond

Washington Wizards
Restricted-- None
Unrestricted -- Etan Thomas (ETO), Juan Dixon

Source: http://www.sportscity.com/nba/2009-nba-free-agents

icemanfan · by **icemanfan** on Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:08 pm

Bring Malik back on a vet mini contract. At least he plays with heart

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