Old ABA foes to meet in NBA Finals

Old ABA foes to meet in NBA Finals

Postby Blondie on Fri May 30, 2003 9:55 pm

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>BY CHRIS SHERIDAN</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://foxsports.lycos.com/content/view?contentId=1430996">Associated Press</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>
May. 30, 2003 1:20 p.m.<br>
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SAN ANTONIO (AP)— <br>
If the NBA wants to take the retro craze to the next level, they'll let the Spurs and Nets play with a red, white and blue ball. <br>
The NBA Finals don't begin until Wednesday night, providing plenty of time to look back on what happened long ago. <br>
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New Jersey and San Antonio weren't even part of the NBA three decades ago. They were in the ABA, which used that tri-colored ball. <br>
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Although the Nets and Spurs have been in the finals before, this will be the first time that two former ABA teams will meet in the NBA Finals. The Spurs defeated the New York Knicks in 1999; the Nets were swept by the Los Angeles Lakers a year ago. <br>
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The last time the teams played each other in the postseason was 1976, when Julius Erving's Nets defeated George Gervin's Spurs in seven games in the ABA semifinals. Game 7 was played on April 24, 1976. <br>
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The next day, Tim Duncan was born. <br>
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The Nets went on to defeat the Denver Nuggets to win the title that season, which was the last for the ABA. The Nets, Spurs, Nuggets and Indiana Pacers were absorbed into the NBA the following summer. <br>
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Michael Goldberg, director of the National Basketball Coaches Association, was the lead attorney for ABA commissioner Dave DeBusschere during those merger talks. <br>
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He recalled that the ABA owners went to the NBA's league meetings in Hyannis, Mass., expecting to stay for one day but ending up staying for four. As part of the merger, two ABA franchises - the Kentucky Colonels and the Spirits of St. Louis - were dissolved. <br>
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"After a full night of negotiations we had the press conference, and then we just sort of looked at each other weary-eyed and walked away. There was no champagne, no violins, no big embraces. We were pooped and exhausted - almost shell-shocked that we got into the NBA," Goldberg said Friday. <br>
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Before the Spurs even were the Spurs, they were known as the Dallas Chaparrals - entering the ABA as an expansion franchise in 1967. One of their first draft picks was Pat Riley. <br>
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The Chaparrals played their final game on March 26, 1973, a 122-120 victory over the Carolina Cougars in front of a paid crowd of 134, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported. <br>
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A group led by San Antonio businessmen Angelo Drossos and Red McCombs leased the Chaparrals for $1 for the 1973-74 season, then purchased the franchise for $725,000 from a group headed by future Dallas mayor Bob Folsom. <br>
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Local lore includes the tale of how country singer Willie Nelson sang the national anthem at the 1975 ABA All-Star Game in San Antonio. <br>
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The Spurs made the biggest acquisition in franchise history on Jan. 30, 1974, purchasing George Gervin from the Virginia Squires for $300,000. <br>
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The Nets fleeced the Squires, too, a year earlier when they sent George Carter, the rights to Kermit Washington and cash to Virginia for Erving, who was the MVP of the ABA in that league's final three seasons. <br>
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But the Nets, needing cash to pay indemnity fees to the New York Knicks, sold Erving to the Philadelphia 76ers following the merger. <br>
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"The ABA, I always felt, turned the NBA into what it is today - the excitement, the slam-and-jam, the 3-point shot, so this is kind of redemption right now to have two ABA teams playing for the title," Goldberg said. "The NBA looked down its nose at the ABA. The merger allowed them to get rid of a nuisance." <br>
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The Nets moved from New York to New Jersey following the merger and endured 2 decades of insignificance before reaching the finals last season, where they were again somewhat insignificant. <br>
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"We were just happy to be there. I saw it on my players' faces at the Staples center before Game 1," New Jersey coach Byron Scott said. <br>
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Ever since knocking off the Detroit Pistons in four games to win the Eastern Conference title, the Nets have been vowing to approach this year's finals with a different attitude. <br>
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They will not have to contend with the likes of Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant as they did a year ago, but they'll have their hands full trying to contain Duncan. <br>
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New Jersey will enter the finals with a 10-game winning streak, their last loss coming April 26 in the first round against Milwaukee. <br>
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That might seem like ancient history, unless it's judged against these teams' actual ancient history. <br>
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Just ask anyone who can recall the ABA roots that the Spurs and Nets share. <br>
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"The red, white and blue ball, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Artis Gilmore</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and the afro, Dr. J with his afro," recalled Scott, who was a freshman in high school when the ABA and NBA merged. <br>
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Did he draw any inspiration from what he saw in ABA? <br>
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"With the afro I did in the high school days. I got it cut off when I got to college. That's where the hot pants came from," Scott said. <br>
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Re: Old ABA foes to meet in NBA Finals

Postby Blondie on Sat May 31, 2003 10:24 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The last time the teams played each other in the postseason was 1976, when Julius Erving's Nets defeated George Gervin's Spurs in seven games in the ABA semifinals. Game 7 was played on April 24, 1976. <br>
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The next day, Tim Duncan was born. <br>
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Re: Old ABA foes to meet in NBA Finals

Postby MadeFromDust on Sat May 31, 2003 9:48 pm

Yes it's a coincidence. So Blondie, you found this scoop before any other Spurs sites? <p>--<!--EZCODE BR START--><br /><!--EZCODE BR END--><br>
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great article...

Postby Nets1 on Sat May 31, 2003 10:00 pm

thanks for bringing back my memories Blondie of the fun ABA. I was a big Nets & Knicks fan (still am) and was in my glory when the Nets started to rule the ABA after trading for Dr. J. Those were exciting games similiar to the AFL days in football. <br>
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I remember your Artis Gilmore & George Gervin as well as my old Nets guys from the 70's. We always feared you guys and also highly respect this current team led by Tim Duncan. Series should be great and closer then most Spurs fans think.. I really think the Nets can win, but we must bring our A-Game each nite to do it.<br>
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By the way, the Nets are still very much in the shadow of the Knicks even w/their recent success. Knicks have such a long history it's really tough on the Nets and that's what hurts attendance during the regular season.<br>
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Here's to the old ABA...<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :toast --><img src=http://www.myezboard.com/projects/ezboard/ezboard_userimages/ACF22C5.gif ALT=":toast"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Go N-E-T-S<br>
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Re: great article...

Postby Blondie on Sat May 31, 2003 10:42 pm

I don't know if I found it first or not... I read the article this morning and found it very interesting. I try to get an early jump on topics because I know many people read first thing in the morning as I do<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: great article...

Postby MadeFromDust on Sat May 31, 2003 11:10 pm

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :wtf --><img src=http://www.myezboard.com/projects/ezboard/ezboard_userimages/wtf.gif ALT=":wtf"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> If you only saw it this morning, then how come the date of your post is from last night?<br>
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(5/30/03 8:55:39 pm)<br>
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Re: great article...

Postby Maorza on Sat May 31, 2003 11:19 pm

?<br>
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Does it matter?<br>
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It's AP.<br>
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Everybody's read it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: great article...

Postby shen lei on Sat May 31, 2003 11:32 pm

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Re: great article...

Postby MadeFromDust on Sun Jun 01, 2003 12:01 am

Yeah, it matters to me to get things clear. That was a very interesting bit of trivia. I first saw the Tim Duncan birthday fact posted here at SC attributed to an unnamed forum: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub179.ezboard.com/fsanantoniospurs62937frm1.showMessage?topicID=7149.topic" target="top">The Spurs will win - it is our destiny!</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> by ProjectGSX @ (5/31/03 2:57:38 pm)<br>
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Then I saw it posted at FullSportPress, but it was attributed to a SpursReport post: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub237.ezboard.com/ffullsportpressfrm7.showMessage?topicID=2577.topic" target="top">This is the coolest coincidence I have ever seen!</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> by DeSPURado @ (5/31/03 5:13:03 pm)<br>
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So I checked the timestamp of the SR post just to see who got what from where: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://feedback.woai.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=33;t=012323" target="top">Spurs to beat the Nets - They will win. It's Destiny!! PROOF INSIDE!</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> by trilobyte321 @ (05-31-2003 02:50 PM)<br>
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Then I go, "I see said the blind man." since it appeared that the story on the Spurs fan message boards originated from SR. I was satisfied just to know that.<br>
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But then Blondie came in and threw a monkey wrench in everything by her post in ProjectGSX's topic, saying she broke the scoop this morning: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub179.ezboard.com/fsanantoniospurs62937frm1.showMessage?topicID=7149.topic&index=7" target="top">Blondie-SpursCentral Diva(5/31/03 7:33:18 pm)Re: The Spurs will win - it is our destiny!</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>
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The post she is referring to is: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub179.ezboard.com/fsanantoniospurs62937frm1.showMessage?topicID=7134.topic" target="top">Old ABA foes to meet in NBA Finals</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> by Blondie @ (5/30/03 8:55:39 pm)<br>
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So now I go, ah ha! Blondie broke the scoop and someone read it here and posted it at SR. I then decided to attribute Blondie and SpursCentral as originating the scoop on the various competing Spurs fan message boards: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub237.ezboard.com/ffullsportpressfrm7.showMessage?topicID=2577.topic&index=3" target="top">MadeFromDust-Colonel(5/31/03 8:48:10 pm) Re: This is the coolest coincidence I have ever seen! </a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>
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Just to make sure, I decided to ask Blondie to clarify when she first posted the article here: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub179.ezboard.com/fsanantoniospurs62937frm1.showMessage?topicID=7134.topic&index=5" target="top">MadeFromDust-© - 2003, Dust Inc(5/31/03 10:10:51 pm) Re: great article...</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>
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You see, I was taught early on that when someone has knowledge that I want to know, then I should ask a question.<br>
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But now Blondie has restated that she just saw it in the morning, even though her post is from last night. Even if she saw it this morning, she still posted it on a Spurs message board before anyone else.<br>
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Oh, and I usually find articles about the Spurs on these various message boards, not AP directly.<br>
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Now the only confusing part is why the original post is dated last night. If everyone would just openly attribute their sources, I would not have gone on this little rabbit chase.<br>
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Re: great article...

Postby MadeFromDust on Sun Jun 01, 2003 12:13 am

Addendum - Well what do you know? It just showed up at another message board an hour ago: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub58.ezboard.com/finsidehoopsfrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=22574.topic&index=26" target="top">SPURSFAN300-NBA Star (5/31/03 10:06:59 pm) Re: xfact</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>
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None of these say, "Hey! I found some neat info over at SpursCentral! Here's the link to the original post, and here's an excerpt...", but it would be nice. And yes, I'm bored. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/image/emoticons_classic/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>--<!--EZCODE BR START--><br /><!--EZCODE BR END--><br>
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Re: great article...

Postby Blondie on Sun Jun 01, 2003 12:18 am

You are right MFD - I made the original post last eveing and added to it this morning.... You will remember a while back that I was accused of going to another Spurs Fan Site and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>stealing</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> their stories which weren't really theirs at all, they were internet news, and I had posted the links first.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub179.ezboard.com/bsanantoniospurs62937.showUserPublicProfile?gid=blondie4spurs>Blondie4Spurs</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://homepage.eircom.net/~bray/em/orose.gif " BORDER=0> at: 5/31/03 11:27:27 pm<br></i>
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Re: great article...

Postby MadeFromDust on Sun Jun 01, 2003 12:28 am

Thanks for clarifying that, Blondie. But now that begs the question: Can you as an admin/mod edit your posts without leaving an <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Edited by:</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> (Author) at: timestamp?<br>
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Re: great article...

Postby Blondie on Sun Jun 01, 2003 12:38 am

I cannot edit without leaving a timestamp......it will alwasy tell when teh edit occured. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: great article...

Postby Maorza on Sun Jun 01, 2003 12:59 am

MFD, check this out.<br>
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Say you live on the west coast. LA, maybe. And you know that news magazines papers and the like, print their online editions at midnight local time.<br>
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How easy is it for you to read what's on line in NY @ midnight plus, pretend you leak the news first your time and put your biline on it? One person in particular has been doing that type of stuff for years now.<br>
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Also, most people aren't up at midnight to three in the morning and the collection of sports info is coming into print right at about those times. You will see that here at SpursCentral we will do our best to gather that information and bring it here. Properly credited and linked. One year 01, 02? Between Drew Jackie, Tim others and meself we hit all the other webzines hard and collected their stuff here. It was pretty cool. <br>
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Drew sent me a list of news sources and we wll went to work.<br>
Offseason is actually quite busy for us here. We don't necessarily try to scoop anyone really. Fact is we are just fans too. But if we hear it or read it we will try to communicate it here if we can.<br>
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Re: remember the ABA

Postby Blondie on Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:55 am

From <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.remembertheaba.com/">Remember the ABA</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>
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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>May 29, 2003 Special Update</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>
The Spurs did it. They won the NBA Western Conference Finals, setting up the very first "all-ABA" NBA Finals: San Antonio vs. the New Jersey Nets. Many of you have written in, asking whether the NBA will have some kind of ceremonial first tip (with a red, white and blue ball) or other special remembrance of the ABA. John Salvatori of Queens, New York writes:<br>
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Now, not to get too "political" but is there anyone we can write to, maybe a Bob Costas type, or some other ABA sympathizer who can put pressure on the NBA to recognize that these upcoming finals will be an all-ABA affair? As much as I love the Nets, I think I'd be even happier seeing them and the Spurs play in their retro uniforms, or having Larry "Special K" Kenon toss up a ceremonial red-white-and-blue ball, than actually winning the NBA championship. For all the airtime Jason Kidd's wife gets, I'd love to see Billy "The Whopper" Paultz sitting courtside at all 7 games (assuming the Nets don't get swept again) of this year's Finals! I'd also love to see halftime shows featuring our epic war with San Antonio during the 1976 ABA Semifinals, and other pieces of that nature.<br>
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If you could tell me who would be most interested in hearing these suggestions, please send me the information, or place it on your web site's home page. For us old rebel league fans, this will certainly be the most highly anticipated NBA Finals since the "merger."<br>
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I am not sure of the answers to these questions (although I like the idea of former ABA Net and Spur Billy "the Whopper" Paultz sitting at courtside for all the games). If any of you have suggestions on who to contact, please write in. And, if I hear anything about special ABA recognition for the 2003 NBA Finals, I'll post the info right here.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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